. >> that's a plant the president had spoken at in previous months before romney was there, in michigan. then you have the things with driving the bus, it was actually made in canada, and it raises one question, before we move to the jobs plan, and that is does the white house not get it in the way they're presenting him and why would they step into these pits without it being necessary? >> no matter what he does, they're going to do minute things that don't show the picture. mitt romney is a fine one to talk about job creation. again, what's his plan other than broad generalities and what's his record? he doesn't talk about his record of jobs in massachusetts when he's on the campaign trail as rick perry does, for example. martha: you both raised the point about the jobs plan and what i find really interesting is the difficulty that it's turning out, that the president may have from democrats on this jobs plan, you've got jim webb, mary landrieu, tom carper, all democrats, all complaining about what's in this jobs bill, and when you couple that with the new york nine, it looks like som